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Build a Reichsmarine and later Kriegsmarine

Time for another silly naval building exercise.How to build a better German navy for WW2?I figure that hindsight is impossible to avoid on some level so feel free to us it.  Other than Emden and the...

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01001011 wrote:You are plain wronghttp://www.firstworldwar.com/source/versailles159...Read More

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01001011 wrote: Is this design feasible for a coastal defense ship?Koblenz, Kriegsmarine light cruiser laid down 1926Displacement:6,427 t light; 6,688 t standard;...Read More

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ChrisPat wrote:Plenty of wriggle room for the lawyers there;You can replace all six PDs with armoured ships of up to 10,000 tons.  No question there.Can Germany replace her old light cruise...Read More

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01001011 wrote:That is approaching fantasy land.It is all fantasy, do you think any "What If?" can possibly be anything else?Replacing means scrapping one ship and commi...Read More

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Just throwing something out into the thread. Intended as a replacement for the aging Deutschland class Pre-Dreadnoughts that Germany was allowed to keep; Roon, Germany Coastal Battleship laid down...

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A bit like I had in mind, but too big (Versailles) and too fast (depends on the convoy speed but 25 is way over). Not sure you need such big guns, 11" with up to date FC should be OK against the...

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Re: Build a Reichsmarine and later Kriegsmarine

I'd agree with ChrisPat and also add that, judging by OTL German practices there would not be an AoN armor scheme. Even Bismarck had an upper belt and end belts. Nice touch on the 0.5" TDS though.

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Blockade Buster Cruiser - Torpedo Cruiser with a slight fib on the displacement allowance; Dresden, Germany Klobenbursche Kreuzer laid down 1926 Displacement: 6,045 t light; 6,220 t standard; 6,550 t...

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ChrisPat wrote:It is all fantasy, do you think any "What If?" can possibly be anything else?When you are arguing like that it is no rational discussion....Read More

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Tried redesigning Roon with lowered displacement and speed, but couldn't quite get an adequate non-AoN Armor scheme to work out with the armament. So here is a third random design, a way to cheat a...

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Joshua Kintner wrote: Blockade Buster Cruiser - Torpedo Cruiser with a slight fib on the displacement allowance;Dresden, Germany Klobenbursche Kreuzer laid down 1926Armour:- Belt...Read More

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01001011 wrote:The VT says clearly the cruiser replacement, whatever it is, must be below 6000 tons.Not in the bit you quo...Read More

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ChrisPat wrote:The VT says clearly the cruiser replacement, whatever it is, must be below 6000 tons.Not in the bit you quoted.How so? An in any case it is a fact that...Read More

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As far as I am aware the ToV does not define what a "Battleship" is and it needs to be remembered that the 10,000 ton limit was intended to limit the power and effectiveness of any ships built. No...

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The English language text of the Treaty of Versailles is on the Web in may places, including here. The part you want is Part V "Military, Naval, and Air...Read More

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As historically, a number of ships would never actually get built but this is the PLAN. Note that this is a compromise between what I would really want & what I think would be realistic (for...

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01001011 wrote:How so? An in any case it is a fact that the VT limits cruiser replacement to 6000 tons.emc has kindly given us a copy of the text.  I read it as replacements for 6,00...Read More

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ChrisPat wrote:How so? An in any case it is a fact that the VT limits cruiser replacement to 6000 tons.emc has kindly given us a copy of the text.  I read it as replacements for ...Read More

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Re: Build a Reichsmarine and later Kriegsmarine

Instead of DEUTSCHLAND, SCHEER and GRAF SPEE, I suggest to lay down six of the following vessels:Admiral Zenker, german armoured ship laid down 1932Displacement:    8.386 t light; 8.852 t standard;...

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